I've said before that apioforum being bridged to apionet kind of makes it distinctly unforumlike. but also it's the only reason anyone saw this post so

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it seems akin to the difference between a restrictive and non-restrictive relative clause. for example:
non-narrowing: Lil ela kac. Kak isuca. → All of the cups, which I own, are full. (I own every single cup that exists, and they are all full)
narrowing: Lil ela kalc. Kak isuca. → All of the cups which I own are full. (this is exclusively a statement about the cups which I own)
ðis viz vertcw
nuy nyd "mek vötgilvidzis". vat gatðistem. ðis viz nuynolprp. but "nuy cwdmek vidzis baw witxiq"? nuy nötnon.
(tceniq: jor xiqzis buy vötgil vun cenkit. nötnufxiqzis buy vötgil viz jak.)
nuy mek nwbvötgilsic byk "ðytvötnwbsic wuzviz vötmektid buy mis" (I am making a new vötgil thread because the old one was deleted by accident)
plysey buy vötgil for "myw nuy van nolnuy" (please speak vötgil for my own amusement, and my own amusement only)
woah! you can now play ffbm inside of apioforum! what a great advancement in technological innovation
help my excitement has entered a feedback loop and is rapidly increasing more and more and more and i am going to combust and explode into thousands of fiery pieces
ubq323 accidentally deleted a bunch of the apioforum database a while ago
also, more recently, the thing that bridges apioforum posts to apionet has stopped working, which is why nearly everyone has forgotten that apioforum exists
this is an interesting question. on one hand you could argue that "vötvöt" cancels itself out and thus "vötvötgil" is just english. however, according to my previous definition, vötvötgil would be a language devised in a vötgil-like fashion based on vötgil. this means creating a regularized orthography, minimizing the vocabulary to ~600 words, all of which are forced to be 3 letters, and putting it all into an eisenlangoidal grammar. but the thing is that vötgil is already all of these things, so no adjustments whatsoever are needed, therefore vötvötgil is vötgil.
vötgil for other languages would be a language devised in the same manner as vötgil except based on a language which is not english. I will not attempt to formulate what such a conlang would look like; I'll leave this to someone who is proficient/native in a natural language which is not english.
I'm kind of a little bit iffy as to whether I think creating a second channel for long arguments is completely necessary. most of the arguments I find irritating are of the bad faith nature which the aforementioned guidelines are meant to prevent. but I also feel it could be beneficial in the long run, as do most other people
sorry, rehashing arguments was not my intention, it was just a feeling I wanted to express
someone going around telling people that things they are interested in are "objectively harmful and masochistic" or "regressive propaganda" doesn't seem very nice to me.